PC

Huh?!?

Yes it’s sex. Pretty sure of it. And really, what’s the problem if it is? I don’t get this line of discussion.

  Vixen

Honey…there is nothing to ‘get’, nor is there a ‘problem’. Someone brought up a point to someone else and it opened up a debate on her blog about what constitutes a Bj a Bj and so forth.

Don’t worry your pretty little head over it. It’s ok. ;)

  Biscuit

LMAO! Some people just think too much.

I’ll never be accused of being one of them. :)

  Ms. Lily

As long as everyone is having fun, all is good.
Who cares what you call it. lol
xoxo

  Nolens Volens

Yes…a BJ is a BJ even if there is no “end result”…but is it still sex if you got interrupted shortly? Would that be considered as a quickie instead of sex? Hehe!

  Greg & Sheryl

She brings up an interesting point. The “blow” in “blowjob” is derived from the act of ejaculation, so you could argue that fellatio can’t accurately be called a blowjob unless it is done to completion. You could also argue that any kind of “job” is not finished until it results in a cumshot. However, these are merely semantic technicalities. As long as you get your point across, it ultimately doesn’t matter what terms you use.

  i smile too much

I agree it’s about semantics. It is what it is. But if someone wanted to get very technical, it can become whatever they *want* to say it is.

Exact words hold great power at times. I could possibly argue either way just depending on what I wanted to get across. Which is (ironically) quite crazy to me.

Hmm. Wording.

“I think the actual ‘act’ of having the big O and cumming IS it’s own identity.”

I totally agree with you! :)

  mamatulip

Who cares what you call it, as long as you’re having fun?

(I’m totally with you.)

  figleaf

Hmm. Maybe because I was pretty sexually active in high-school, but… I’m *pretty* sure it wouldn’t have been persuasive to assure an angry parent/teacher/boyfriend/girlfriend/vice-principal/cop/judge/etc. “oh, nobody’s ejaculated so this isn’t a blowjob.” I’m also pretty sure none of the above would have said “oh, well in that case sorry I interrupted… I was just worried someone was about to have an orgasm but I guess it’s all good.” :-)

Who was it, Wittgenstein who deflated the idea there could be one single ideal thing that perfectly represents all other things like it? I think his example was chairs, where you can have chairs with no legs, chairs with no backs, chairs you can’t sit on (doll chairs, for instance), and so on through every description of “chair” in the dictionary. Well, I think it’s the same thing with “sex.”

I remember reading in a college-level sex-ed textbook that, according to surveys worldwide, an eyebrow-raising number of people won’t even agree that full penile penetration of an orifice with ejaculation counts as sex so… I think it’s a better idea to pull it back the other way and say *anything* that one or more people can do, with themselves alone or together with one or more additional people, that gives them a little erotic bounce counts as sex. That could definitely include kissing and might include promising, over the phone, just to hold hands when you meet in person. The nice thing about that approach is you don’t get silly parsing questions like the “well, I put it in but nobody came so it doesn’t count… except he ejaculated a little while she was helping him take out his butt-plug so it does count… except he says he didn’t really feel anything so it doesn’t count… except since she’s really into orgasm-denial *she* got off when he told her that so it *does* count…” :-)

Fun huh?

So anyway, mouth touches penis? You’re playing on the field so yeah it counts, even if nobody scores a goal.

Cool discussion, Vixen.

figleaf

  Big Kahuna

Hey Vix – I love the whole interaction between you and PC :-)

Babushka and I have had this conversation regarding “cum or not cum” as the completion for our sexual activity. We both enjoy the activity if we do not cum personally but always are overly competitive to make the other one cum

Great topic

  Vixen

Biscuit- LOLOLOL ;)

  Vixen

Nolens- um…yes. I think so. :)

  Vixen

Figleaf- So anyway, mouth touches penis? You’re playing on the field so yeah it counts, even if nobody scores a goal.

Well said. I like it. ;)

  Dana

It all counts! There are just bonus points for the finale *wink*

  Bunny

It’s definitely still sex/masturbation/a bj even if no one orgasms. Absolutely. (Contrary to what some teenagers seem to think!) It’s just better if someone cums. Even if it’s just the guy watching from the corner (or is that just me?)